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themanwiththeknow June 17th, 2008 20:53

sweden/russia
 
spain batered russia 4-1, sweden were very unlucky to lose to spain

russia just beat greece 1-0, sweden beat greece 2-0 (could have been 3 or 4)

so why on earth do bookies have russia as favs over sweden

from swedens 2 games played and russias 2 games played sweden have been the better team

if it was me id have them both at 6/4 as there really isnt anything between them imo, but to have russia as favs for the match i dont agree with that

Tony2005 June 17th, 2008 21:35

Like i said...
 
Quote:

Yes i like that bet too PT....i think they will beat the French tonight and the Dutch will beat Romania.........18/1 will suddenly be 10/1 at best

Took the 18/1 for small stakes now......11/2

Part-Timer June 17th, 2008 22:02

Thanks for the info mate, look to lay off some of my £50 B (:

Part-Timer June 17th, 2008 22:17

Done, £300 if they win £50 if they dont

TheShark72 June 18th, 2008 10:22

Russia ran into a rampant Spain in the first game and two of the 4 goals Spain scored were on the break whilst Russia pressing to try and get back into the game.

Dont sell Russia short - remember they beat England (for what thats worth) and have a potent strikeforce. Sweden are a little one dimensional, with only Ibrahimovic posing any real threat. Elmander looks useless and Larsson isnt the player he was.

It will be tight and i agree there is not much to split Russia/Sweden - I would take Russia to qualify with Spain though wouldnt like to predict the scoreline - it could even be a penalty shootout.

themanwiththeknow June 18th, 2008 10:25

russia to qualify for me also
 
only thing that worries me with russia is actually scoring

they had 4-5 maybe even 6 or 7 great chances vs greece and only managed to score one

my longshot bet on pavluchenko to be top scorer at 125/1 could be in with a shout if he managed to convert any of the numerous chances he has had

if they manage to convert their chances then russia should go through to get knocked out by holland

bally73 June 18th, 2008 15:26

For what it is worth i've done spain to win russia sweden draw after 90 mins what bet has gone down today

themanwiththeknow June 18th, 2008 15:29

feck
 
forgot all about this lol

think its because there is nothing worth betting on lol

themanwiththeknow June 18th, 2008 18:24

tonights bet
 
ht draw ft russia @ 6.60 (£2.23)

ht russia ft russia @ 5.30 (£2.77)

returns if we win are £14.70 (odds of 2.94)

best price for russia win is 2.70 :cool:

themanwiththeknow June 18th, 2008 20:12

looking good
 
so far!!

russia 2-0 sweden

hopefully bk in profit after tonight :cool:

TheShark72 June 18th, 2008 20:17

not bad for a team that are surprising favourites to win the game eh......:cool:

themanwiththeknow June 18th, 2008 20:42

the dutch guus hiddink
 
now has to prepare his team to beat the beat the dutch :h?:

thats like sven preparing for england to beat his native sweden

ITS JUST WRONG!!

i can see russia/holland being game of the tournament

can see an absolute goalfest with the way the 2 teams love to get forward

few pennies on 3-2, 4-2 me thinks

returns of £14.70 tonight for £9.70 profit

TheShark72 June 19th, 2008 08:13

Quarter Finals
 
Now it gets interesting....!!

PORTUGAL V GERMANY

The Portuguese have looked very impressive in the 2 games they needed to win, whereas Germany have looked anything but impressive struggling to overcome Poland and Austria whilst being put to the sword by Croatia.

However the Germans, much like the Italians, normally do just enough to survive without ever really setting the world alight - can they do the same against Portugal?

I dont think so. Portugal just look stronger in every department, and with Frings almost definitely out tonight, and Podolski carrying an injury though expected to play, the German midfield is depeleted, with Ballack having to carry the fight against Deco, Moutinho solely. Then of course there is Ronaldo, who makes a big habit of scoring past Jens Lehman, as well as the not insignificant threat of Nuno Gomes up front for Portugal.

Germany do look steady if unspectacular at the back, but Croatia showed that they can be breached, and you must acknowledge that Portugal are a better attacking force overall than the Croats.

I go for a narrow 1-0 Portugal scoreline, though quite a flattering one for the Germans as i see Portugal fending them off with comparative ease.

From a betting perspective, you cant ignore the Ronaldo score first Portugal win 1-0 option at 22/1 - looks very good value that IMO.

I also like the draw option with Germany receiving a 1 goal start at 11/4.

I also like having 13/2 on Portugal to score a penalty, with the same odds being applied on Germany. When you have the likes of Deco, Ronaldo, Gomes, Ballack, Klose, Podolski on the pitch, it would be little surprise to see a penalty being given for either team, and 6.5/1 either side seems decent odds.

Overall - Heart says Portugal....Head agrees!

themanwiththeknow June 19th, 2008 15:08

we need a decent winner
 
to get the kitty up to a decent amount

i have placed £10 treble on portugal, croatia and holland to qualify for the semis

returns if all 3 make it through will be £38.70


i was thinking of ht draw, ft portugal @ 6.00

or portugal to win 1-0, 2-0 or 2-1 @ 3.40

Tony2005 June 19th, 2008 15:13

I qiute fancy the Germans....but Portugal 1-0 2-0 or 2-1 would be my choice out of those

themanwiththeknow June 19th, 2008 15:15

sharky
 
i understand what you are saying about value being in ronaldo and 1-0 at 22/1

only thing with that is it is down if germany score or if portugal score twice, i would rather we dutched a few scores and still got a very good payout

for example........

ronaldo 1st g/scorer and portugal to win 1-0, 2-0 or 2-1 is 10/1

i mean we need ronaldo to score 1st for he bet to stand, but with 1-0, 2-0 or 2-1 we have 3 scores working for us and not just the one

we could throw deco into the mix to give us 2 possible 1st scorers and that works out @ a very decent 13/2 shot

that way we would have 3 possible correct scores and 2 possible 1st g/scorers rather than just one score and one scorer

i know 22/1 is a big price, but 13/2 is also a very good price for a single bet, and gives us multiple options

what do you think??

TheShark72 June 23rd, 2008 08:01

Has this died a death now????

Tony2005 June 23rd, 2008 08:14

Dont know where hes gone.....maybe he all footied out...and after the last two days when both my bets on Holland and Italy to win the tournie have gone west so am i.

But never mind im off to hack round 18 holes to cheer me up....

bennythedip2 June 23rd, 2008 16:22

Well There's only One result Now
 
RUSSIA To win the Tournament !!!!!!

themanwiththeknow June 24th, 2008 17:25

sorry guys
 
internet has been down for days!!

had £5.00 bet on holland/russia game which lost, it was ht draw ft holland @ 5.00

had £5.00 on spain/italy game which won, it was ht draw ft draw @ 5.00

so the bank is now up to £48.00

£24.00 will be used for germany/turkey and £24.00 for spain/russia

get ur opinions on those 2 games in and we,ll find ourselves a bet, youve got a couple of days b4 the first semi final, so hopefully we will get plenty of good opinions on the 2 games and can hopefully find a bet to beat the bookies and give ourselves a decent prizepool in this stt

cheerz guys

bally73 June 24th, 2008 18:18

my thoughts on these 2 games would be
germany ht germany ft
and the other game draw ht spain ft

that wouls be the 2 bets for me
Lee

bennythedip2 June 24th, 2008 21:09

ok
 
Germany win
Russia win


both games ../overs

Russia to win tournament8-P

Tony2005 June 25th, 2008 09:25

I think we have to bet with our heads here and say The Germans should win this..but i dont think it will be as easy as everyone expects...i can see this maybe going to extra time and penalties...

I cant see how the Russians are going to turn it around against the Spanish after getting pasted in the group stage..
I have a funny feeling the Russians put it all in against the Dutch and may now be feeling the effects of that effort..
Spain to win this one within the 90 mins..

themanwiththeknow June 25th, 2008 15:16

turkey
 
have far too many players out tonight to cause germany a problem

if they play anything like they did vs portugal they will this game comfortably

i fancy 3-0 podolski or klose 1st g/scorer


was thinking of tonights bet and how do u feel about germany to win and the game overs @ 2.37??

or germany to win by 2 goals or more @ 2.25

bennythedip2 June 25th, 2008 15:25

yes mate
 
Overs looks the bet :cool:

bally73 June 25th, 2008 19:15

hope you did the overs mate almost there already

themanwiththeknow June 25th, 2008 19:40

the bet is
 
germany to win with the 3 or more goals in the game @ 2.37

if germany go on to win (in 90 mins) then returns will £56.88 :cool:


wish i just backed backed overs @ 2.06, then it really doesnt matter who scores as long as someone does

Tony2005 June 25th, 2008 19:42

The Turks are giving it a good go......this could go to extra time...2-2 in 90 mins my pick

Tony2005 June 25th, 2008 20:32

Dont say i didnt tell you.........
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony2005 (Post 11581)
The Turks are giving it a good go......this could go to extra time...2-2 in 90 mins my pick



And they desreved that too:clap:


Noooooooooooo, typical German luck....3-2

themanwiththeknow June 25th, 2008 20:42

rode our luck
 
but the bet is in!! returns of £56.88 taking the kitty up to £81.63 (highest its been)

best team lost imo and i am praying germany dont win the final, they dont deserve to win

they have been outplayed by a team full of 2nd choice players and were awful for 90 mins


whats tomorrows bet in the spain/russia game???

overs again looks good?

Tony2005 June 25th, 2008 20:49

Well at least we have won some money tonight........Think the Spanish should win tomorrow night but i hope the Russians can do it as they played so well against the Dutch...

bennythedip2 June 25th, 2008 21:22

You saw it here !!!
 
ok

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Germany win
Russia win


both games ../overs

Russia to win tournament 8-P


Dont forget who told Ya:'D

themanwiththeknow June 26th, 2008 17:33

what we going for??
 
spain/russia over 2.5 goals is 2.20

russia to win or draw with 3 or more goals in match is 3.75

£24.00 will be staked on tonights match so where is it going?

bennythedip2 June 26th, 2008 17:38

for me
 
...Overs the game....and

Russia to win tonight and the Tournament...the safe bet looks, Overs the game :cool: glk mate whatever you choose :clap:

themanwiththeknow June 26th, 2008 18:01

went for little insurance
 
backed over 2.0/2.5 @ 1.87 (£24.00)

if only 2 goals are scored we get £12.00 back, if 3 or more we get returns of £44.88

GOOD LUCK US!!

Tony2005 June 26th, 2008 19:54

Not looking like a thrilling end to end goal fest.......but hold on...The Spanish have just scored...

bennythedip2 June 26th, 2008 20:47

Overs o:D not the way i thought but ...wins a win !!

themanwiththeknow June 26th, 2008 21:16

another winning bet
 
game finished overs as many of us predicted with returns of £44.88 on the night

our kitty is now up to a decent £102.51

there is only one more game to go and obviously we wont be betting it all on the final so we can safly say.........


WE HAVE BEAT THE BOOKIES :clap: :clap: :clap:

by how much isnt resolved yet but we end euro 2008 in profit!! 8-P


now there is 3 ways we can from here and its up to us all to have our say,

we can either......

A.......bet £27.51 on the final and leave £75.00/$150 for a our poker stt (£75.00 is minimum as the bet might win and of course the fund would be higher)

B......bet £52.51 on the final and leave minimum £50.00/$100 for our poker stt

C.....have two £26.25 odds against bets on the final leaving minimum £50.00/$100 for our poker game, but with bets being odds against only need 1 winner from the 2 to get our money bk!!

these are 3 choices for how to use the kitty with one game remaining, the final isnt until sunday so we have 3 days to get our votes in for which we think is the best option and which is the best bet to take

option A is one smaller bet giving ourselves a minimum $150 poker game prizepool, but still have a decent size bet to make it a bigger prizepool

option B is a bigger bet leaving a smaller prizepool should it lose, but an even bigger one should it win

option C is pretty much the same as option B only here the stake is split into 2 bets giving ourselves a chance to get our money bk should one of the bets lose, hopefully both will win!!

MY VOTE

im going for option C, have 2 £26.25 odds against bets, we only need one to win to get our £50 quid bk and that would give us a prizepool of just over £100/$200, if both win we are looking at a prizepool of over £150/$300
should both bets lose (unlikely) then we still have a decent prizepool of £50/$100

like i said whichever option gets the most votes is the way we will go

once again congrats to all on beating the bookies :clap:

bennythedip2 June 26th, 2008 21:38

Well played .."man"
 
I think you've done a great job of this competition and well done for getting a profit throughout the tournament :clap: I think the final will be a good match and find it difficult to predict :h?:

My feeling is 1 1 ...it will be close :cool:


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